Smiley Face Killers Theory

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:04 pm

I have been spending most of my free time lately, researching and reading articles concerning the Smiley face killers theory, also called the I94 Killers. I am curious if Lawman has any ideas. All I have gotten so far is confused. There are strong cases for and against the theory. I will post these links to start and will post more if anyone is interested.

http://footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.com/
http://sfkillers.com/
http://wcco.com/topstories/st.cloud.state.2.363562.html
http://www.nationwideinvestigations.us/press.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley_face_murders

View my theory here scroll down to bottom. http://detectiveforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6906&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:28 pm

Hey "Just Logic" It is good to hear from you! I think your "logic" is a great contribution to this site especially since there are not many of "Us professionals" Which I don't just equate to Current/ former "paid" Law Enforcement /Criminal justice (Attorneys,Federal Special Agents,Correction/Parole,Police,Probation Officers & Sheriff/s Deputies & Private Sector Licensed P.I's But "Professional Caliber FORENSIC THOUGHT & INTELLECT That members like you Rat Man,4 my Info Posses!" AT TIMES YOUR QUESTIONS ,THOUGHTS AND IDEOLOGY HAS ACTUALLY /HONESTLY FRUSTRATED ME BECAUSE OF THE EXCELLENT FACTS & POINTS YOU BRING UP MAKE ME WANT TO EITHER DROP WHAT I AM DOING OR FRUSTRATE ME DO TO THE EXCELLENT TOPIC / SUBJECT
MATTER I really want to contribute to & In many instances can help me in what is/was my PERSONAL agenda, mission, pleasure & What is/has become a "PASSION": Utilizing my skills, knowledge & experience TO TEACH, EDUCATE ,HELP BY PROVIDING /PROMOTING PUBLIC SAFETY UTILIZING MY SKILLS/EXPERIENCE IN THE WAY I ALWAYS WANTED TO & FELT "ROBBED" OF MY CHANCE! BUT NOW REALIZE THIS IS "MY CHANCE" & NOW IS A "PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY"

Rolling Eyes

I thought you might be busting my stones at first because of my lack of Web etiquette & sophistication AS I TRUTHFULLY NEVER POSTED CHATTED OR WAS INTO /LEARNED WEB /NET BASICS PRIOR TO POSTING HERE! But I vaguely Heard of the "Smiley Face Killers" I must admit mainly due to My Personal FRUSTRATION & DISGUST FROM WORKING IN & WITH WHAT I SAY WAS SUCH A BREEDING GROUND OF APATHY & CONTEMPT AND MY UNIQUE SITUATION ,FUNCTIONS & DUTIES WITH/FOR THE CORRECTIONAL/CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND DEALING FACE TO FACE LISTING ,READING,STUDYING, CLASSIFYING, PROFILING, WITNESSING BEING SUBJECT TO CONSTANT DAILY DEALING WITH SICK TWISTED CRIMINALS, SOCIOPATHS, PEDOPHILES, MISOGYNISTIC SADISTIC KILLERS, PREDATORS & THEIR VICTIMS, DESCRIPTIVE REPORTS,TESTIMONY, TALES, CONFESSIONS, VENTING, BRAGGING, ETC. IN CONJUNCTION WITH MY OWN PERSONAL DEMONS, ISSUES & PLIGHT WHICH WAS COMPOUNDED,WORSENED & ADDED MUCH MORE INSULT TO INJURY! WITH MY PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE & "FRUSTRATION" IN HAVING TO SEQUESTER SO MANY FACTS & MY FRUSTRATION WITH HAVING FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE,EXPERIENCE OF MANY LOCAL CRIMES, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, POLICY,POLITICS, & THE IMPACT ON PEOPLE IN SOCIETY, MANY OF THE PLAYERS! & BEING PARTY TO MANY OF THE ISSUES & "BEHIND THE SCENE "IDIOSYNCRASY" HAS LED ME TO STOP READING THE LOCAL PAPER REGULARLY" AND NEVER HARDLY WATCH ANY COP SHOWS & AM SELECTIVE ABOUT THE REALITY CRIMINAL /FORENSIC SHOWS ON A & E, DISCOVERY ETC.

Twisted Evil

WHAT REALLY BOTHERED ME & IS STILL BOTHERING ME ARE/IS MY KNOWLEDGE WITH SOME SERIOUS LOCAL CRIMES & ONE OF MY MAIN REASONS WHY I AM DEVOTING MY TIME AND ENERGY TO WHAT I AM DOING HERE ON THIS "DETECTIVE FORUMS" WEBSITE IN SPITE OF STILL BEING IN THE HOLE (NOT COVERING MY OUT OF POCKET EXPENSES! AGAIN THIS MONTH!) WHY I PREFER IT TO MY ABILITY TO MAKE 75$ AN HOUR LOCALLY! AFTER I FINALLY REACHED OUT TO SOMEONE I FELT I COULD TRUST & IN SPITE OF BEING RIGHT I REALLY GOT KICKED TO THE CURB AND HAD MY FEELINGS HURT BAD BY A LOCAL NEWSPAPER EDITOR WHO WAS SO OBSESSED WITH A CASE OF A LOCAL MISSING MAN AND ASKED ME TO INVESTIGATE SOME PERIPHERAL SUSPECTS & DETAILS WHICH LED ME TO QUESTION SOME VERY OBVIOUS PROCEDURES THAT WERE OVERLOOKED! MY INVOLVEMENT & QUESTIONS I HAVE BROUGHT TO LIGHT THAT PISSED THIS GUY OFF! & THAT EVEN THE LOCAL DEPUTY POLICE CHIEF , MY ATTORNEY ,THE HEAD OF THE NAT. FORENSIC INSTITUTE & OTHERS DEEM I AM RIGHT & SHOULD PERUSE THESE FACTS! AND PERHAPS FINALLY GET CLOSURE FOR THE FAMILY! THIS WAS SUCH A SURREAL
EVENT IN MY LIFE OVER THE PAST YEAR! (Along with some other significant "NEWS WORTHY " CASES & INTEL FROM LETTERS I RECEIVED FROM LITERALLY AROUND THE WORLD FROM FORUM MEMBERS!) WHEN ALL I WANT IS TO FILL THE GAP/VOID BETWEEN PUBLIC/PRIVATE The services available to/for people to get JUSTICE & to Provide the same degree of Private "Forensic Services" at prices the silent majority of working poor & Middle Class People NEED & DESERVE & Yes to help teach train,share resources, encourage others to utilize /realize their potential to help! (to be continued!) Wink

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:01 pm

justlogic wrote:

I have been spending most of my free time lately, researching and reading articles concerning the Smiley face killers theory, also called the I94 Killers. I am curious if Lawman has any ideas. All I have gotten so far is confused. There are strong cases for and against the theory.

JL I'm interested in your theory, what's your gut feeling re- “Smiley face killers" do you feel these deaths are connected and these young men are being murdered by an eleven state “sinister national gang” or are they unrelated accidental deaths.

lawmanconfidential wrote:

Professional Caliber FORENSIC THOUGHT & INTELLECT That members like you Rat Man,4 my Info Posses

4my and Ratman being lawman fronted both of you, what's your opinion re this topic?

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:55 am

I'll take a look at these when I get back home from work around noon today.

I'll let you know what I come up with then

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:29 pm

Mike Flaherty's website dedicated to the Smiley Face Killings.

Very interesting!

http://surfdete.ipower.com/smileyface.html

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:29 am

I'm going to go out on a limb and really stretch it here, but I have found a common denominator in most of these deaths:

Ojibwe

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:31 am

watchman wrote:

justlogic wrote:

I have been spending most of my free time lately, researching and reading articles concerning the Smiley face killers theory, also called the I94 Killers. I am curious if Lawman has any ideas. All I have gotten so far is confused. There are strong cases for and against the theory.

JL I'm interested in your theory, what's your gut feeling re- “Smiley face killers" do you feel these deaths are connected and these young men are being murdered by an eleven state “sinister national gang” or are they unrelated accidental deaths.

lawmanconfidential wrote:

Professional Caliber FORENSIC THOUGHT & INTELLECT That members like you Rat Man,4 my Info Posses

4my and Ratman being lawman fronted both of you, what's your opinion re this topic?

WM- are you refering to D.O.D. or Dealers Of Death?

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:42 am

roll: I guess it is Karma Calling again! The grace of God or Zen & the art of Investigating As I often seem to find in spite of my self since I started contributing on this "Detective Forums" website which I don't own But recently The owners in response of/to the proof /Facts substance & substantiation of my work its impact and most importantly its innate integrity which I am proud that it is in fact prima fascia (body of evidence) testimony as to my professional credibility! It seems I find the right direction,subject, person, problem, situation, for an answer! And most importantly an answer to most questions through what has become my specialty which in fact is That of a "Forensic Investigative Intelligence Strategist" or as I have been given license through being designated as the Detective Forums " Forensic Investigations Specialist" A proven qualified forensic investigator that may be able to assist you! Wink

I get daily updates on training ,planning,programs & grants everyday from the DOJ I had thought a few months back on the practical aspects & applications and last week read an article about a question of civil rights and again it entered my mind!

Idea

Geographic Profiling
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/maps/gp.htm
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Geographic profiling is a technique that can help identify the likely area where a serial offender resides, or other place (e.g. work, girlfriend's place) that serves as an anchor point or base of operations.
Software

Several major software programs are being employed by police agencies to perform geographic profiling tasks, including Rigel®, CrimeStat, and Dragnet.
Evaluation

Though there have been anecdotal successes with geographic profiling, there have also been several instances where geographic profiling has either been wrong on predicting where the offender lives/works or has been inappropriate as a model. Thus far, none of the geographic profiling software packages have been subject to rigorous, independent or comparative tests to evaluate their accuracy, reliability, validity, utility, or appropriateness for various situations.

In August 2004, MAPS contracted with Abt Associates to convene a geographic profiling roundtable panel, bringing together ten independent experts with backgrounds in geography, criminology, crime analysis, software development, and spatial analysis, to derive a comprehensive evaluation methodology of geographic profiling software. The main evaluation criteria is how accurately does the tool predict the offender’s 'base of operations' - their home, job, or other frequented location? The evaluation must be conducted using crime data from jurisdictions with varied geographic characteristics, offender types, and offender travel patterns. Other evaluation factors include software features and usability.

The final report, produced by Abt Associates, details the geographic profiling evaluation methodology. This report is now available for download.

* Download the Geographic Profiling evaluation methodology - PDF format (Posted: 1/28/05)
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/maps/gp.pdf

LAST NIGHT I WAS UPDATING INFORMATION ON ZENO'S FORENSIC WEB

[url] http://forensic.to/links/pages/[/url]

I CAME ACROSS 2 NEW 2.0 WEB FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGY & FORENSIC SCIENCE SITES WITH A MORE ELABORATE GEO CRIME MAPPING SECTION WHICH I WILL POST SEPARATELY
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BUT IT DAWNED ON ME Smiley Face Killers Theory HAS/IS CAN BE THE PERFECT VENUE /BENCHMARK CASE

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:52 am

justlogic,

I don't understand how anyone could say that the Smiley Face murders are coincidental. I only read some of the info on the sites that you provided but a few questions came to mind from what I read.

1. no one mentions if there were toxicology reports on any of the men.
2. were they dead before they were found in the water or did they all drown?
3. the Smiley Face says to me - you think you're so smart,
you'll never figure me out, come and get me...
4. were these young men all christian?
5. what were they majoring in college? maybe they were studying some aspect of theology or religion.
6. maybe the letter reversal was because both killers had learning disabilities. Maybe they treated as if they were stupid and/or flunked out of college.

This is so fascinating - I'm going to wind up reading all about this when I should be doing other things (like the wash!) I don't even want to put a smiley face there......
4myinfo

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:44 am

4my - I know how you feel. I started reading this yesterday and I spent half the night reading more!

I had several questions myself as I was reading and I agree: What's in the toxicology reports? Were they drugged and then killed? Is drowning the actual cause of death?

The only "connections" I have seen so far is:
* Young males
* College students
* Cause of death is drowning
* Missing religious jewelry
* Smiley face at every death scene
* Supposed connections between these deaths and the Zodiac murders

There are too many variables in the equation

I will have to make my own chart to see if there really is any true connections in these cases.

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:53 am

4myinfo wrote:

justlogic,

I don't understand how anyone could say that the Smiley Face murders are coincidental. I only read some of the info on the sites that you provided but a few questions came to mind from what I read.

1. no one mentions if there were toxicology reports on any of the men.
* Several of the victims were supposedly drugged*

2. were they dead before they were found in the water or did they all drown?
* Based on a coroner's report, one victim was dead BEFORE the body was placed in the water*

3. the Smiley Face says to me - you think you're so smart,
you'll never figure me out, come and get me...
4. were these young men all christian?
* Many of the victims had religious jewelry missing when they were found*

5. what were they majoring in college? maybe they were studying some aspect of theology or religion.
6. maybe the letter reversal was because both killers had learning disabilities. Maybe they treated as if they were stupid and/or flunked out of college.
*Dyslexia?*

This is so fascinating - I'm going to wind up reading all about this when I should be doing other things (like the wash!) I don't even want to put a smiley face there......
4myinfo

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:53 am

I'm delighted to announce the launch of Forensic Psychology 2.0 and I sincerely hope you find this new development as exciting as I do. My aim from day one has been to make the All About Forensic Psychology website as accessible as possible and open to anybody and with Forensic Psychology 2.0 I hope to take this philosophy to the next level.

Why Forensic Psychology 2.0?

As the World Wide Web has evolved it has revolutionalized how we communicate, interact and acquire knowledge. This is particularly the case with the move towards what is known as web 2.0. Web 2.0 links people, it's a place where people contribute, share, collaborate and learn.

If you're not sure what web 2.0 is all about, you'll get the idea by watching this outstanding video by Michael Wesch, Assistant Professor of Cultural Anthropology at Kansas State University.

http://www.all-about-forensic-psychology.com/index.html
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idea:
Confused

:Geographic profiling is an information management system and investigative methodology that evaluates the locations of connected serial crimes to determine the most probable area of offender residence.

It can be applied in cases of serial murder, rape, arson, robbery and bombings. Question

Geographical Profiling Process & Methodology

process:

A geographic profile would typically fit into a criminal investigation as follows:

# A series of crimes is committed.

# The crimes are investigated via traditional means.

# Linking analysis conducted to ascertain which crimes are connected.

# Psychological profile of the unknown subjectconducted.

# Geographical profile constructed.

# New investigative strategies developed and pursued.

Methodology:

In preparing a geographic profile, a number of operational procedures will be followed. This includes:

# Examination of the case file: Witness statements, autopsy reports & psychological profile (if available).

# Inspection of the crime scene.

# Meetings and discussions with lead investigators.

# Visits to the crime sites when practical.

# Analysis of local crime statistics and demographic data.

# Study of street, zoning and rapid transit maps.

# Overall analysis and report submission.

BY SUBMITTING UNIQUE PARAMETERS SPECIFIC TO THE SMILEY FACE FLOATERS Wink

THIS MAY BE A BASIS FOR A DEFINITIVE CORRELATION
TO GIVE THE CASE SUBSTANCE AS WELL AS BE THE BENCH MARK AND PERFECT FORENSIC APPLICATION FOR THIS CASE

[url] http://www.all-about-forensic-psychology.com/geographic-profiling.html[/url] Wink

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:00 am

lawman

That sounds interesting. I'll check it out!!

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:05 am

HEY YEAH I THINK IT NEEDS IT AND I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD GNAW AWAY AT IT! AS IT WOULD BE COOL TO MAKE A COLLECTIVE APPEAL TO THE FORENSIC BOARD!
I GOT TO CRASH I GOT TO TALK TO YOU I'LL TRY THIS AFTERNOON!

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:29 pm

My gut feeling is that this is real. Looking at the background of the persons involved. I am sure that the parents had a very good relationship with their children and knew what their habits were. The more difficult part is separating fact fiction and imagination. Some claims are as high as 80 cases. While I don't find that number impossible, I do think it would be difficult to achieve without leaving a more obvious evidence trial and, yet again I think we do not have access to all of the evidence. The investigators are holding their cards closely, as they should. I will check the links you have all posted as I have not done so yet, and post more on this later.