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sueann
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Sat May 10, 2008 9:10 am |
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How do I find inmate information? |
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gary
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watchman
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How does a person find a inmate in a prison? How does the prison keep inmates from getting hurt or do they? What will make the prisons safe?
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sueann
You have an interesting signature box comment (above quote), are you doing prison research or trying to locate a specific inmate and prison conditions? Is your interest Federal, State, military prisons, state mental institutions housing criminally insane or county facilities (male or female)?
In addition to Gary’s suggestion try using the forum search tool and Google for additional information |
Last edited by watchman on Sat May 10, 2008 11:58 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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sueann
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Sun May 11, 2008 9:18 am |
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I do appreciate the reply to my interest in the Prison system. I want to know how to find a inmate in a state prison. I want to know how dangerous or unsafe it is to be in a men's prison. |
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watchman
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Mon May 12, 2008 12:17 am |
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Sueann
Thanks for your response; reviewing this thread I see the first part of your question has already been addressed. Even though there are approximately 1200 State prisons in the U.S. you should be able to find your answer by using suggestions posted above.
As far as the second question, it’s not within the scope of this forum (Criminal Records - How to access them). However if you’re seeking personal opinions feel free to repost in General discussion.
As a reminder, Google has a vast amount of prison related information.
In the meantime feel free to look around and join ongoing threads.
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Investigator97
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watchman
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Sun May 18, 2008 3:37 pm |
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Sueann
I reposted your question re- “I want to know how dangerous or unsafe it is to be in a men's prison. How does the prison keep inmates from getting hurt or do they? What will make the prisons safe” on general forum. No opinions have posted as of this writing.
If you’re still following this thread I suggest you private message (PM) lawmanconfidential or contact him via his site: http://detectiveforums.com/forums/link.php?url=http://www.411forensics.com as he has considerable knowledge on this subject. |
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watchman
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Sun May 18, 2008 3:58 pm |
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Investigator97 thanks for your response. I have used your site several times and certainly recommend it to other members. Do you plan to add news media/newspaper links?
To stay sort of on topic, can you share your expertise and write a few lines re- serving process to an inmate?
Thanks
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watchman
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Sun May 18, 2008 5:19 pm |
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sueann
Lawman having worked in the prison system can best answer your concerns.
Here's (click on blue font) Lawman confidential’s background orginally posted Jan. 7, 2007
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lawmanconfidential
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Fri May 23, 2008 5:20 pm |
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A WOMAN ASKED :One of my stbx-H’s corporate clients once asked him to defend her son: stbx doesn’t do criminal law, but the client wanted a lawyer who would NOT let the son walk free this time. He referred her elsewhere, but I wonder: is there any way to predict when the time ‘away’ is merited and will be productive?
Please bear with me it’s not a simple answer & there is a very serious & important point that many don’t understand unless you have lived it!! THERE ARE SO MANY MITIGATING VARIABLES IN CONJUNCTION WITH BEING IN A VERY NEGATIVE HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT WHICH I ALWAYS SAY IS A “PURE BREEDING GROUND OF APATHY&CONTEMPT! That being said & barring all the potential hazards, policies,& constrictions “ULTIMATELY IT IS UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL & Each & every offender who enters the system just as in birth & Death comes in alone. The predicating difference is the mental/psychological ,emotional familial & environmental baggage he/she is carrying inside Each offender like everyone all have unique circumstances, mindset/frame of mind,attitude,values,motivation
mental/emotional state,education,ideology& Instilled ethics each as unique as fingerprints & DNA! This coupled with the the 2 innate common denominators ALL OFFENDERS/INMATES HAVE:FEAR& LOSS OF CONTROL! Now throw in withdrawal from Drugs/ETOH & EVEN NICOTINE pending or imminent loss of Spouse, kids,home/Apt.car,job,belongings ,friends,reputations even pets!! ESPECIALLY A NEW OR 1ST. TIME OFFENDER.. Now EVEN the “The Jail’n” recidivists the career criminals doing life on the installment, who have nothing except perhaps a half dozen or so kids many of whom they never met! LITTLE OR NO EDUCATIONAL OR VOCATIONAL SKILLS OR WORK ETHIC (Sorry Dang caps) Many never had nothing nor nobody growing up, many are the 1st. generation crack babies who have now entered adult hood ,which is much different from your fathers Heroin Baby back in the day, as I have explained to DOC,Medical/Mental Health & C.J staff in some of my classes: At a minimum at least a Smack mom would nod off holding her child (True it might have been with a lit Newport in her Grill) But the Crack Mom is always chas’n that high Crack kids left alone for extended periods of time in --[Censored]-- loaded diapers & cribs totally isolated & not nurtured manifesting Failure to thrive syndrome Going through life & now entering adulthood:Developmentally, vocationally, cognately & socially impaired! One of the saddest & scariest traits I have found is that they were /are so starved for attention they try to get it the only Pavlovian way they know how Negatively by acting/lashing out They will spit on or even violently assault a Cop/Staff break a sprinkler head, flood a cell,smear feces ,self mutilate & often gesture or initiate a suicide attempt(I have seen a few go wrong w/fatal results!)Some actually admitted to me that they delight in being restrained or 4 pointed When I ask why? They Often say they don’t know. But I/we know it’s just 4 the human touch!!
An Offender/Inmates use of his time is contingent on many factors attitude, family,support,ethics & initiative mean a lot but as I tried to point out as in the case of The crack baby tragedy,neglect,abuse,misfortune ,intellect etc. among many,many others play a role …I would really like to elaborate on the initial impedes for your question & a very serious case I was involved with that shows how twisted fate can be especially in the Jail or Prison environment..which I will continue in another post shortly
TO BE CONTINUED… |
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lawmanconfidential
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Fri May 23, 2008 5:28 pm |
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I EMPHATICALLY BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER FOR “CORRECTIONS” TO WORK EFFECTIVELY SOCIETY,POLITICIANS,THE LAW ENFORCEMENT & CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND CORRECTION ADMINISTRATION HAS TO CHANGE IT’S MYOPIC VIEWS, PERCEPTION & DEFINITION OF CORRECTIONS AS A WHOLE:To stop the revolving door ,to reduce crime, & to be truly effective & “PROTECT THE PUBLIC” and to provide a safe clean environment to rehabilitate & prevent offenders from re offending…Corrections has to extend beyond the walls & HAS TO START IN THE COMMUNITY BEFORE OFFENDERS OFFEND OR RE-OFFEND!
Having said this the “Lock-up/incarceration aspect is/should be the last, & for some the only resort as I have said ‘It is a very negative, “BREEDING GROUND FOR APATHY & CONTEMPT”
fEAR IS ALWAYS IN THE AIR, & THE POTENTIAL FOR DANGER IS CONSTANT AND POTENTIAL FOR TRAGEDY ALWAYS PRESENT IN A WORLD RUN BY STRICT BLACK & WHITE POLICY & DIRECTIVES .NOW FOR MY STORY REGARDING A FATHER FRUSTRATED WITH HIS SON’S HEROIN ADDICTION, WHO WE CALLED AFTER HIS SON FINALLY GOT ARRESTED FOR HIS ILLNESS…The Father a Dominican immigrant who worked hard to buy & run a very successful Bodega offering his only son a good Middle Class up bringing…As I recall it was a good 12 years ago and at the time I was the first officer hand picked & promoted to the states new maximum security Level 5 (criminal) Intensive Mental Health unit . Ours was a special unit with the specialized ancillary staff to handle any & all of the the states most unstable offenders. We got the kid who I believe was 25 from New Haven which is a jail as in “un-sentenced/accused although we took prisoners from all of the Depts Facilities , we primarily dealt with my case load of sentenced lifers many of whom were some of the states most infamous murderers but had committed their heinous acts prior to the re enactment of the death penalty. I had just went into the unit to tell my boss I was taking off. He said to hang on a minute we got a real live wire here!! The offender who was going through Severe Heroin withdrawals, was in a state of rage extremely hostile, verbally abusive, sitting, demanding to call his father back , who evidently told him to pound sand when the kid called him from the jail!! I remember 3 things 1. He was one of the most bitterly enraged person’s I had seen in recent times,2 he was extremely tall (Especially for a Hispanic)maybe 6-7 0r 8 with ectomorphic features,3 It was a Friday on a 3 day Holiday weekend! Tuesday a.m we had or ‘Mon.” Team meeting He had been very hostile, abusive & threatened the nurses!! As a result do to his propensity for violence he was not allowed out of his cell for the mandatory 1 hour a day (ALL PRISONERS CAN ONLY BE LOCKED DOWN 23 HOURS A DAY BY LAW,THEY HAVE TO BE LET OUT IN SEGMENTS OR AS A WHOLE FOR A FULL 60 MIN. UN LESS JUSTIFIED & DOCUMENTED VIA AN OFFICIAL INCIDENT REPORT.)
As he screamed insults & was urinating on the plexi glass window his case counselor said hey Do you know what his bond is??..50 bucks!! We tried imploring with the father to perhaps consider sending him into a program, But the father said it’s been done ,”keep him in there! It will do him good!!”
The units Psychologist, who had hoped to reason with him so he could come out!! He approached us a short time later Looking a little miffed, which was out of character!! & Demanded we charge him with “Threats” I don’t know what he said as I referred him to the desk officer ..but he had been incessantly threatening total destruction of us, our families, neighbors & dogs!! that was a first!!
My unit mgr. Asked me to come with him to break the news,that he won’t be coming out today..Startled we both jumped back when he threw an orange juice container full of urine at the plexiglass window in front of us!! He said in short choppy sentences … I show you ..i show you as he paced back & forth my boss had just gone back to his office …When the kid put his head in the stainless sink (The water had already been shut-off to thwart flooding) He assumed a push-up position ..After a few seconds as I was digesting the scene before me ..he said ..i gonna show you all I’m getting out of here!! & resumed his position I watched for a few seconds , observing that he had arm movement , I said screw it ,good enough for me & asked the nurse to get a 4 pt restraint order.. I popped my head in the bosses office & told him about my request & for him to take a look… frustrated he told the kid I.m getting my video camera so I can tape you for the judge ,you’ll never get out , I saw him lift his arms as if to flip us off, but they only half flexed… a few seconds later they dangled , I tried to see if noise would produce a response. I know this is the oldest decoy game in the book but I guess my EMS instincts told me different !! I called out to Ed , I said hey I wanna go in!! which is against the rules alone ..but I was always cut a little slack for my unorthodox methods he said you can’t no way, We gotta get a team!!( THE DEPT. OF CORRECTION HAS MANY TYPES OF SPECIAL UNITS & TEAMS THE MAIN ONES BEING:HONOR GUARD, K-9, C E R T: REGIONAL UNITS COMPRISED OF ELITE FIT OFFICERS HIGHLY TRAINED IN BASIC SWAT, RIOT CROWD CONTROL FOR CORRECTIONAL EMERGENCIES, S O G TEAM: OFFICERS TRAINED IN ADVANCED SWAT & SPECIAL FORCES TACTICS, MORE ADVANCED FIREARM & SNIPER SKILLS ETC & FINALLY AT A UNIT OR FACILLITY LEVEL S.E.T.OR MORE COMMONLY THE CELL EXTRACTION TEAM COVERED IN PADDING & KEVLAR VESTS HELMETS, GASMASKS & SHIELDS THESE OFFICERS SUDUE & RESTRAIN VIOLENT INMATES , THAT ARE NON COMPLIANT WITH LAWFULL ORDERS) /, If you go in & he fights win or loose how we going to explain it
How’s that 4 pt. Order coming? A call was made to suite up a S E T team but by the time the officers are called from where they may be & get geared up can be a good 15-20minutes …I slammed a plastic chair against the cell window …not a twitch…The unit m.d arrived & I told my boss what I had , he said o.k take CTO H –GO! I had him by the back of his neck & I realized he was actually wedged, after a little manipulation he was free , First thing I noticed :His pupils were fixed & dilated !!we started bagging & CPR Most of the Nurses for DOC have no Emergency Medical Training so the Doc asked me to put in an E-T tube !! I had to respectfully decline !! But I did get his pulse back!! For the next few years he lied in a Chronic Vegetative state completely & irreversibly Brain Dead he has since past!! The family sued Ct. for 50 million we all were indemnified! To save money the state made an out of court settlement!! For other technical rules of procedure… MORAL “CORRECTIONS BEGINS AT HOME” This kid was obviously used to getting his way!!. A swift kick in the can, Can prevent a trip to the can!” |
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watchman
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Fri May 23, 2008 7:20 pm |
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Lawman
I read the above post several times and felt mesmerize by the sheer force of your written words and felt as if I was standing alongside you as the event played out.
Thanks
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lawmanconfidential
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HERE'S A GOOD READ FOR YOU GUYS! |
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